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	<title>Comments on: Things not to virtualise: backup servers and storage nodes</title>
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	<description>EMC NetWorker commentary from a long term NetWorker consultant and backup theorist</description>
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		<title>By: Preston de Guise</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston de Guise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,

When a backup server has been elevated to a director role only in the backup activities, I&#039;d agree it slides closer to being something that &lt;b&gt;could&lt;/b&gt; be virtualised, particularly in an environment that you&#039;re describing where performance won&#039;t be an issue.

My &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; take on it though remains that one must always be careful of any configuration which sees the backup server dependent on &lt;i&gt;additional&lt;/i&gt; infrastructure in order to, well, boot. In this case you&#039;re not just depending on hardware being available, but the virtualisation layer being available as well.

I&#039;m assuming in your site though you&#039;d be either at the point of looking at, or already using SRM, with replication and failover possible between sites. If you&#039;re in that situation, at the backup server is one of the hosts that can be moved between sites, then perhaps many of my objections regarding dependencies no longer apply.

If you&#039;re looking for some other opinions, feel free to go to &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://nsrd.info/forum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the forums&lt;/A&gt; and ask some others what they&#039;d do, too :-)

Cheers,

Preston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p>When a backup server has been elevated to a director role only in the backup activities, I&#8217;d agree it slides closer to being something that <b>could</b> be virtualised, particularly in an environment that you&#8217;re describing where performance won&#8217;t be an issue.</p>
<p>My <i>personal</i> take on it though remains that one must always be careful of any configuration which sees the backup server dependent on <i>additional</i> infrastructure in order to, well, boot. In this case you&#8217;re not just depending on hardware being available, but the virtualisation layer being available as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming in your site though you&#8217;d be either at the point of looking at, or already using SRM, with replication and failover possible between sites. If you&#8217;re in that situation, at the backup server is one of the hosts that can be moved between sites, then perhaps many of my objections regarding dependencies no longer apply.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for some other opinions, feel free to go to <a HREF="http://nsrd.info/forum" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fnsrd.info%2Fforum','the+forums')" rel="nofollow">the forums</a> and ask some others what they&#8217;d do, too :-)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Preston.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Preston, you have another posting somewhere that&#039;s anti backup server virtualization.  It&#039;s troubling for me because I respect your opinion but concurrently find that virtualizing my networker server is just to juicy to pass up.   My networker server is eventually going to be setup as a dedicated server without performing any backup ups itself.    It&#039;s seems the perfect canidate for virtualization.  No connection to any physical devices to get in the way once it&#039;s a full dedicated networker server.  Further, I have a much easier time guarateeing up time for a system that&#039;s virtualized versus stand alone.  I also wont have any trouble guaranteeing resource (We have a fairly beefy VMware farm.)  Finally, I think disaster recovery of the VM would be incredibly easy in the case of a catastrophic disaster.   As long as I have the VM backed up I could easily run it from anywhere. Technically, I could have my backup server running on a workstation with a free version of VMware server on it while I start to rebuild my environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Preston, you have another posting somewhere that&#8217;s anti backup server virtualization.  It&#8217;s troubling for me because I respect your opinion but concurrently find that virtualizing my networker server is just to juicy to pass up.   My networker server is eventually going to be setup as a dedicated server without performing any backup ups itself.    It&#8217;s seems the perfect canidate for virtualization.  No connection to any physical devices to get in the way once it&#8217;s a full dedicated networker server.  Further, I have a much easier time guarateeing up time for a system that&#8217;s virtualized versus stand alone.  I also wont have any trouble guaranteeing resource (We have a fairly beefy VMware farm.)  Finally, I think disaster recovery of the VM would be incredibly easy in the case of a catastrophic disaster.   As long as I have the VM backed up I could easily run it from anywhere. Technically, I could have my backup server running on a workstation with a free version of VMware server on it while I start to rebuild my environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtualisation as an exercise in MTBF &#171; The NetWorker Blog</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtualisation as an exercise in MTBF &#171; The NetWorker Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consider for instance a small business that decides, as part of an infrastructure refresh, to replace their current fileserver, directory server, mail server, database server and internet gateway server with a single VMware ESX server. (We&#8217;ll assume of course that they do not virtualise their backup server – something you should never do.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Consider for instance a small business that decides, as part of an infrastructure refresh, to replace their current fileserver, directory server, mail server, database server and internet gateway server with a single VMware ESX server. (We&#8217;ll assume of course that they do not virtualise their backup server – something you should never do.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virtualisation as an exercise in MTBF &#171; NetWorker Blog</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtualisation as an exercise in MTBF &#171; NetWorker Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consider for instance a small business that decides, as part of an infrastructure refresh, to replace their current fileserver, directory server, mail server, database server and internet gateway server with a single VMware ESX server. (We&#8217;ll assume of course that they do not virtualise their backup server – something you should never do.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Consider for instance a small business that decides, as part of an infrastructure refresh, to replace their current fileserver, directory server, mail server, database server and internet gateway server with a single VMware ESX server. (We&#8217;ll assume of course that they do not virtualise their backup server – something you should never do.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I take it your goal in this description is to run two separate datazones from the same physical server?

I&#039;ll admit that my experience with LDOM is insufficient to provide any specific yay or nay recommendations on the proposed configuration. My gut reaction, even in a zeroth-tier configuration, is to keep backup servers on physically independent hosts. However, I will agree though that in the configuration you&#039;re suggesting, where the actual backup processes will be handled by physically separate storage nodes, you have the most chance of running virtualised servers that don&#039;t leach from each others resources – so long as you&#039;re allocating a sufficient number of CPUs and the appropriate amount of RAM for each datazone to each server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take it your goal in this description is to run two separate datazones from the same physical server?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that my experience with LDOM is insufficient to provide any specific yay or nay recommendations on the proposed configuration. My gut reaction, even in a zeroth-tier configuration, is to keep backup servers on physically independent hosts. However, I will agree though that in the configuration you&#8217;re suggesting, where the actual backup processes will be handled by physically separate storage nodes, you have the most chance of running virtualised servers that don&#8217;t leach from each others resources – so long as you&#8217;re allocating a sufficient number of CPUs and the appropriate amount of RAM for each datazone to each server.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its been 10 months now since this article (good read btw), am wondering what your thoughts are with the introduction and support of Networker server running in Solaris LDOM.

Specially two Networker server running on each physical CMT system, the domains are physically separated by the system&#039;s bus.  Each LDOM would have direct access to FC tape drive for recovery and supportability reasons.

For DR considerations all data is replicated to another site and for performance reasons the Networker server only serves as the controller for a datazone and does not handle real data IOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been 10 months now since this article (good read btw), am wondering what your thoughts are with the introduction and support of Networker server running in Solaris LDOM.</p>
<p>Specially two Networker server running on each physical CMT system, the domains are physically separated by the system&#8217;s bus.  Each LDOM would have direct access to FC tape drive for recovery and supportability reasons.</p>
<p>For DR considerations all data is replicated to another site and for performance reasons the Networker server only serves as the controller for a datazone and does not handle real data IOs.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe there&#039;s any driving reasons why you couldn&#039;t virtualise either a management console or a license server (if you happened to use a license server). Neither of them are performance driven, and as such are actually ideal candidates for virtualisation.

(Technically in a NetWorker datazone, there&#039;s only one type of server - the backup server itself. Storage nodes aren&#039;t referred to officially as servers in a NetWorker sense, and management console hosts are &#039;servers&#039; but for a control zone - one control zone can administer multiple datazones. I&#039;m not being nit-picky, I just thought I&#039;d elaborate on how the terms are used, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s any driving reasons why you couldn&#8217;t virtualise either a management console or a license server (if you happened to use a license server). Neither of them are performance driven, and as such are actually ideal candidates for virtualisation.</p>
<p>(Technically in a NetWorker datazone, there&#8217;s only one type of server &#8211; the backup server itself. Storage nodes aren&#8217;t referred to officially as servers in a NetWorker sense, and management console hosts are &#8216;servers&#8217; but for a control zone &#8211; one control zone can administer multiple datazones. I&#8217;m not being nit-picky, I just thought I&#8217;d elaborate on how the terms are used, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alby</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Alby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Networker there are 3 classes of server as I understand it - the  server console, Datazone servers and Storage nodes.  I see your points working for the Datazone and Storage node.  Can you comment on the need to keep the console server physical, or can it be virtualised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Networker there are 3 classes of server as I understand it &#8211; the  server console, Datazone servers and Storage nodes.  I see your points working for the Datazone and Storage node.  Can you comment on the need to keep the console server physical, or can it be virtualised?</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m away from my computer at the moment, so I can&#039;t say whether running a NSR server in a non-global zone is supported or not...

That being said my personal preference would still be to avoid running a server or a storage node in a Solaris zone; it&#039;s still effectively putting you into a position where resources are being shared for what is traditionally a performance critical/drive host.

If you are virtualising, or even running in Solaris zones, overall monitoring and control of IO throughput and performance in general becomes much trickier --- particularly if you don&#039;t have root/admin priveleges on the virtual server/global zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m away from my computer at the moment, so I can&#8217;t say whether running a NSR server in a non-global zone is supported or not&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said my personal preference would still be to avoid running a server or a storage node in a Solaris zone; it&#8217;s still effectively putting you into a position where resources are being shared for what is traditionally a performance critical/drive host.</p>
<p>If you are virtualising, or even running in Solaris zones, overall monitoring and control of IO throughput and performance in general becomes much trickier &#8212; particularly if you don&#8217;t have root/admin priveleges on the virtual server/global zone.</p>
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		<title>By: David Magda</title>
		<link>http://nsrd.info/blog/2009/02/13/things-not-to-virtualise-backup-servers-and-storage-nodes/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>David Magda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about having your back up system with-in a Solaris zone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about having your back up system with-in a Solaris zone?</p>
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